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An Interview With
Christus 777
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Conducted per e-mail May/June, 1998
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Ignis Fatuus is the musickal project of Christus 777,
whose eagerly anticipated debut CD The Futility Goddess
was released recently on Cold Spring, after a production
history of nearly 5 years. The musick of Ignis Fatuus combines
a classical sensibility with modern instrumentation,
in songs that are deeply atmospheric and evocative.
The lyrics -- some of which are performed by Jarboe
(formerly of Swans) -- ponder archetypal questions of love
and the very nature of existence itself.
Christus 777 is currently working on a new project
entitled The Suicide Pact, which also features the
talents of Jarboe, Brett Smith (of Caul) and John
Bergin (of Trust Obey and C17H19NO3). At
the time of this interview, the expected release
date of this project is early 1999.


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Last Sigh:  Could you tell us a little about yourself and your background, especially in relation to your musick?

Christus: 
I come from Midwestern America. Somehow I made out with the awareness that
I now have (and continue to cultivate). From an early age I felt on the fringes of any sort of thinkly woven social fabric. This, although it seemed to me painful and difficult at the time, allowed me to observe people and their behavior. Even though I was at the end of their prodding stick a lot, I feel that I had something that gave me the ability to be sensitive to others and at the same time able to critique society and all of its shortcomings.
          Musick became very important to me early on. It could talk to me unlike anyone else around me at the time. As years of this went by, I developed a hunger to express myself in this arena also. A good friend (Brett Smith, now recording exquisitely haunting musick under the name Caul) and I began recording on his older brother's 4 track portastudio. These recordings were very experimental and silly sometimes, but they served as impetus to explore musick further.
          I eventually started recording stuff on my own and eventually bought my own 4 track. Then an 8 track. Then a keyboard. Musick was always very personal to me (whether it be my own or someone else's) and I found that when I started to make my own musick, on my own terms, that it became extremely personal to me. So much so that I dare not tap into it too much, lest I never come back.

Last Sigh:  Could you tell us something more about the special awareness that you feel you have, and how this perhaps influences the musick that you compose?

Christus: Well, the awareness that I spoke of basically amounts to a case of hyper-sensitivity. This can work to one's advantage as well as to one's disadvantage. I don't know if I could identify any direct links from it to my musick, but, as they both come from me, I suppose that they are connected by association, as everything is. Maybe it does have to do with my musickal process though. As I can become overwhelmed by all that I see around me I can also get overwhelmed by the vastness of the language of musick. This can be a problem in the sense of being able to see so many potential possibilities for musickal direction as to let it paralyze you.
          I have been having a dry spell creatively for the past few months, and I think that this has to do with feeling overwhelmed. I have been dwelling in my head as opposed to living in action. This, I feel, is reaching a breaking point though. There comes a time when hesitation has no place and there is no option but to act, lest one stay static in the realm of possibility. Also, quickly approaching deadlines can help.

Last Sigh:  Your musick has a very spiritual feel, and from what you say above you come across as a strongly spiritual person -- is this spirituality rooted in a specific established belief system, or do you have a more individual and unique belief or religion?

Christus: I don't believe in belief systems for myself. Systems too easily stagnate and contradict the very reasons they were established. I prefer to operate more fluidically. There are certain "systems" that I do feel akin to though. I feel strongly drawn towards Buddhism and Taoism.

Last Sigh:  You call yourself Christus 777, could you explain this name?

Christus: Christus just came to me. There was a time in my life, when I was having sort've a Christ-complex, in the sense of thinking that all those who bring or perpetuate peaceful growth and awareness in their given time/context do tend to be persecuted in one form or another. Anything that requires great effort or self-responsibility, and lends itself to some sort of positive outcome, seems to be shunned as antiquated. It's harder to love than it is to hate. Cynicism is anti-effort, anti-growth. It's the response of a hurt child who has given up. It is pain numbed and unexpressed. The 777 came about in a time when I was playing around with numerology. Somehow I pieced it together as the numerical equivalent to doing nothing I will regret, and regretting nothing I do.

Last Sigh:  What is it about musick in particular -- do you think -- that makes it able to speak to you (and probably many other people) on such a profound level?

Christus: Well, musick, for me, has the ability to transcend language and social conditioning. It works its way directly to the core of what it is to be alive. It can take one's heart and mind beyond where previously thought possible. Plus it is completely experiential. I get impatient with painting or drawing or sculpture. Musick is much more kinetic and alive to me.

Last Sigh:   The Futility Goddess is your first full-length release, and I understand that it was 5 years in the works. Could you talk a little about the process of making this album, both as pertaining to the creative development of the music, and the more formal aspect of having the finished work released?

Christus: Well, there are several reasons that it took so long. Many of them being scheduling difficulties, but the main being that my work process progresses very slowly. I came to Justin with the idea for my CD long before it was completed, and then on top of that I didn't own my own keyboard, so I was alternately renting one when I could, and borrowing a friend's.
          Almost all of the pieces on the CD started as very strong foundations for the unfolding of larger pieces, but some of them remained small, rudimentary. I was simultaneously sort of self-conscious about this, but at the same time alright with it. Sometimes they just sounded good exactly the way that they were, regardless of further development. And, I am not opposed to going back to old pieces in the future and reworking them (which I intend to do with a few pieces on Futility Goddess), building on them more, have them played on 'real' (acoustic) instruments with more complex arrangements.
          So, anyway, I realized that I could spend another year or two just fleshing them out a bit more, but I opted to release them as they were, as a document of the period of my creativity that they were conceived in, and as sort of part of my continual musickal diary. Now that it is released, not only do I feel a great sense of relief, but also a closure of something that I don't have to attend to anymore. A child sent off into the world to make its own friends and discover its own contexts. I am very pleased with how every thing turned out and excited about the opportunity to share it with others.

Last Sigh:  The very first piece you released -- "Dream Sequence 1" -- almost sounds like an excerpt from a greater work -- which the title could also suggest. Is this the case, and if so, is there a chance that you may release an EP or LP of "Dream Sequences"?

Christus: I see Dream Sequences appearing throughout my musickal future. I wanted the option of composing a continuum that could last years. Either modifying the original concept or taking it to a different plane. I see the Sequences as being intentional mirrors. Sounds that sort of force one's mind to visualize something taking place to the musick that was being heard.

Last Sigh:  Have you been involved in any other musical projects prior to the Ignis Fatuus? Or any other work of an artistic nature?

Christus: well, there was Brett & I's group (aforementioned) Ped Sking. I collaborated on musick with different people when I lived in Kansas City about 10 years ago. I used to dabble in performance art and published my own magazine (Purge) for a few years.

Last Sigh:   What does "Ignis Fatuus" mean? And why did you choose it as the name to represent your musical work?

Christus: Ignis Fatuus simply means "foolish fire". Somehow this equates to me the illusory nature of things (particularly beauty since, it seems, that if its around for any length of time, we tend to get used to it and stop nurturing it, and then it soon vanishes or changes). I feel that this is what my musick might communicate. both awareness of beauty itself, and the transformation of it. The transformatory nature of everything in this life.

Last Sigh: What personal as well as literary/artistic influences inspired the music as well as the thematic subject matter of The Futility Goddess?

Christus:  I was inspired (and I show it unashamedly) by the compositions of Wim Mertens, Michael Nyman, Zbigniew Priesner, Dead Can Dance, Jarboe & various movie soundtracks in as far as how certain musick can contain pulse and breath, and how it can, even without lyrical content, evoke imagery. I became fascinated by marches. I love Herman Hesse. And, I became involved with someone years ago who put me face-to-face with the issues mentioned in The Futility Goddess. She was a big inspiration, or, shall I say, the pain and longing that came of the situation was an inspiration. She inspired me in different ways.

Last Sigh:  It is interesting that you mention Hesse, because many of the pieces on The Futility Goddess made me think of Hesse's work, which I too admire greatly. Are there any specific stories of his that inspired any of your compositions?

Christus: No. No specific writings of Hesse served to inspire any of the musick on the CD, but Steppenwolf played a big role in the sort of awareness that was being cultivated around the time in my life that The Futility Goddess is dealing with.

Last Sigh:  The lyrics to "Prelude/Immersion" are very beautiful and also mysterious, telling a story that seems very central to the experience of being human, but doing so in a rather mythical and dreamy manner. Would you care to explain a little about what this "story" is that you tell on this specific song?

Christus: Well, basically the story is the "pursuer" describing one of his many dream-encounters with the Goddess that he communes with every full moon. I included it on the CD to set the mood of these encounters, to describe what kind of experiences that he has when he meets her in his dreams. The ease of their interaction, the playfulness they engage in, the mystery that brings them together.

Last Sigh:  The CD booklet states that "All musick and vocals written, performed, and produced by Christus 777 except..." Could you describe your work process in more detail? What instruments do you play? At what point in the compositional process of your musick do the vocals enter the picture?

Christus:  I have no set work process. It just consists of me sitting down and plucking out whatever comes into my head at the time. I hardly ever come to the keyboard with a preconceived notion of what I want to express. It's completely subconscious. I'm still finding different layers to the musick on the CD. I play keyboards. I have the desire to utilize other instruments, but for the "Goddess" I knew that I wanted the work to sound symphonic and so I did the best that I could with the resources that I had to work with (an Ensoniq 16 and a small sound library).
          For the stuff that I'm doing now I'm bringing more instruments into the work and more people. Working with my friend Steve on "Sanctum Of Ashes" really inspired me to explore the introduction of other elements into my otherwise claustrophobic musickal input. It's my favorite track on the CD, and it will give you an idea of where I'm headed.
          Vocals come last. there will be more of them (from me and others) on the next CD. On the two pieces that I did with Jarboe for the single, she actually sent me the spoken word pieces and then I put musick to them.

Last Sigh:  You mentioned earlier that musick offers the opportunity to communicate awareness.....does the process of composing perhaps also create further awareness in you personally?

Christus: Good question! Yes, I do believe that composing brings an awareness to me. Not only because of the process itself of manifesting the emotional into the aural, but also because of the care that goes into giving something life. Realizing that these sounds that so deeply affect me, might just as well affect another as strongly, and just what would I so much want to hear if I were the soul that I am in a world such as this? It can be a very delicate process.

Last Sigh:   You have released your musick on Cold Spring from the beginning. How did you become involved with Cold Spring? What artistic possibilities do Cold Spring offer you that other labels would not?

Christus:  Well, I came across Justin when I saw a request that he had placed in a TOPY newsletter, asking for people to contribute to a cassette compilation consisting of all TOPY members. I sent him some songs, but I was about a year too late! He liked what he heard, and, of his own volition, reviewed the tape I sent him in a column that he was writing at the time for a music magazine. We continued contact, and he told me of a CD label that he was trying to put together. I joked about him releasing a CD of my musick, and he agreed!! that's when the 5 years started.
          Working with Cold Spring allows me complete artistic freedom. I give him my musick, he puts it out. It doesn't reach quite as many people as I would like,
and I don't like people having to pay import prices here in the states, but I appreciate the personal feel that you get with working with someone one-on-one. He sincerely likes my work and that's why he's putting it out. I love the simplicity of that.

Last Sigh:  How did Jarboe become involved in Ignis Fatuus? Will you be working on future projects together?

Christus: I contacted Jarboe, after I heard from Justin that she liked my song best on the Cold Spring compilation (Shrine) that we both appeared on to thank her. I suggested that we try some stuff together. She agreed; so we did. I have since done some musick for her upcoming solo CD, and she will be working with me on mine. There has been talk of her and I and two other friends (the aforementioned Brett and John Bergin of Trust/Obey fame) getting a recording project together under the name "The Suicide Pact". Still embryonic as of yet.

Last Sigh:   Do you (and/or do you have any plans to) perform your musick live?

Christus: I've performed a few songs live about 9 years ago. I really have a desire to perform live and I have it in mind when I work on the second CD. Hopefully some day soon!!

Last Sigh:   Will we have to wait another five years for your next album?

Christus: No!

 

 



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