| Mikael Prey is a very busy
boy. He makes intensely layered videos, teaches classes on videography, is involved with
the Thelemic world, is a key organizer for the annual Spoken Word Festival in Stockholm,
Sweden every Fall, and regularly travels with a variety of bands and artists throughout
Europe. Mikael is in the thick of it, feeding off of the discord and producing some
amazing results. Q: How long have you been
making videos?
Mikael: ... approx since 84. before and still I did/do
photo, super-8-films,painting, collages and writing.
Q: What drew you to this medium?
Mikael: I have always been very "image-oriented"
in whatever I do: Photo, film, video, words, music are to me very much a question of
"images" in different ways. I think a cross-referential/multilayered way of
thinking and conceiving and using these medias triggered off in the midst of the so called
"punk explosion" and its aftermath. The "industrial" cultural scene,
Burroughs and the joint-concert of PSYCHIC TV/MONTE CAZZAZZA/LEATHER NUN in '84 was in
this sense seminal, I suppose. PTV used a truckload of video monitors showing the early
ambiental video-collages to their primordial/tribalistic music. The idea of using video
& TV as a means of deprogramming and shortcircuiting the brain/subconscious thought
and as a means of creating new dreams and accordingly new realities had a liberating
effect on my visual approach - the media redirected against itself through
"scratching" (sampling/remixing appropriated video-footage ) made perfect sense
and was Burroughsian cut-up in imagery-dissecting programmed reality down to the essential
building blocks of manipulation.
Q: Have you had any formal education in film and video?
Mikael: ... yes & no... that is: I started out making
music, painting, writing, photo, filming autodidactily - same thing with video. Itīs just
the recent years now that I actually applied to art-school, more out of necessity to
improve technical skills than out of "artistic need for education" - I have for
most of my life done ordinary jobs like nightporter, mental warden, etc. to get around the
bends. "Art" and the profession of being an "artist" is something I
still have difficulties relating to at all. But yes, eventually I ended up doing 3 years
of video & 3D-education in art school on a very free basis. Now Iīm doing a
postgraduate course in so called "post production" i.e video-effects/ 3D
animation etc.
Q: What are the positive and negative aspects of that
education?
Mikael: ...the positive aspect of "doing it your
way" is that you give yourself the possibility to build up something on your own,
without the limitations/constraints/manipulation of limited teachers and narrow-minded
views on how "things should be done." The backside of being autodidactic is that
things have a tendency to drag out in time (learning computer programs, video systems etc.
) on your own. Nowadays thereīs so many systems anyway, that I am inclined to say that
technical teaching is a benefit - but am generally sceptical about "art-theory"
in general. Too much theorizing becomes yet another "religion" that I can do
without.
Q: Do you feel the education placed more restraints on you
creatively or that it opened up more possibilities? Please elaborate.
Mikael: ... as I got into "art education" at a
very late stage, that is, having already attained some sort of "art &
world-view" through everyday-life/work-experience it didnīt change very much for me.
The possibility to use more professional equipment and some useful training was immmensely
liberating though, in the sense that for the first time I had the possibility to spend
more "quality" time on materializing ideas, focus on technical improvements and
above all having access to equipment, which in that sense hadnīt been the case before-not
to that extent at least. Having done something else but going to art school and being an
"artist" I think is generally recommendable anyway, in order to get some
"real life experience" and to make "art" that has "something to
say." Thereīs so much crap and pretentious overpaid shit out there.
Q: What were your first projects focused on?
Mikael:
mostly so called "mixed media
installations [and] performances" integrating scratch-video-collages/film/photo/
music and ocassionally "poetry."
Q: What is your goal when you create a video?
Mikael:
there are many different aspects that vary
from case to case which also very much depends on whether a "piece" is an
assignment or a self-imposed "creation," a
music-/"art"-/installation-video or VJ-loop. Generally, however I prefer working
with "ambiguity," "double meanings" and no easy
"give-aways"- I try to mix in several layers of understanding, projecting
subliminal "image messages" and hopefully convey some questions,but ultimately
itīs primarily a question of getting things "out my system" and putting dreams
into images and reapropriating "view"- alchemy.
Q: What are some of your favorite themes and images to work
with in your creations?
Mikael:
nice of you to call it "favorite",
whereas Iīm personally more inclined to refer to it as "hang-ups" and
"obsessions"- well whatever: as I perceive in "layers" and
"cut-up" ( yes-Burroughs-of course ) my videos have a tendency to dwell on
layered sequences dissolving into each other and thereby hopefully blurring "obvious
disparities" and "merging contradictions" in order to shortcircuit the
barrier between consciousness/subconsciousness. I perceive and cut-out image-bits in
quotidian life and "remix" my mind/video-eye, I record and distort the filmed to
"fit" the dream/obsession - Then of course I have libraries of stock
footage-real& imaginary, images that I always sort of "fall back to" due to
reprogramming I suppose
water-everything "fluid" is
"interesting," industrial landscapes, nature-always a "hit,"
cityscapes, sex, flowers, blood, fire, religous symbols, historical monuments & sites,
relics, wolves/ravens-predatory animals in general, anything really-as long as there is an
"angle" to it and has some "connotations"and is "emblematic"
in some way - I prefer working in collage-mode/remix and "not-story-line-based".
Most music videos today are so hilariously stupid and embarisingly void of idea, but yet
so technically well done and "potentially good"- so much money and so little
brains...
Q: How has your interest in the occult and Aleister Crowley
influenced your works?
Mikael: Very much so, I think, it permeates all my work to
some extent and gives it some "purpose" and "orientation" if you will.
I donīt like to make it too obvious or "vulgarize" it though and without going
too much into detail i feel to say that amongst many other philosophers/
esoterics/scientists that interest me, I also adhere to the Crowleyan/ Thelemite
"definition" of magick as being "the science and art of causing change to
occur in conformity with will" and what goes along with it - as an artistic
tool/challenge/inspiration as well as a "way and view of life". The Crowleyan
dictum "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" and "Love is the
law - Love under will" incorporate much wisdom and force worthwhile looking into -
according to me.
Q: What lessons or skills did you gain in TOPY that have
been useful in creating your videos?
Mikael: THEE TEMPLE OV PSYCHICK YOUTH was seminal in my
development in the sense that it put forth creative/constructive alternatives to the
"no future"-inclined generation - a strong force to challenge established
structures and modes of thinking/behaving which reached far beyond self-destructive
"punk credibility" and "cyber"-romanticism. It introduced highly
powerful means of individual self-appropriation and unorthodox ways of materializing will
and causing change - if you will, a modern form of brotherhood/tribal
networking/cyber-shamanistic zen-guerilla-whatever you want to call it. Admittedly chaotic
in its structure, TOPY however channelized much energy into a challenging force which to
this very day still reverbates in different ways and still has effects through personal
contacts, networks, organisations and amongst people in various positions in society. The
outer appearance and forms of action might have changed, but the energy is still there
amongst many of the former "members." I suppose the "lessons and
skills" I learned was to cut away much self-limiting bullshit and getting focused in
materializing my own true will, that is "to do what one has to do"and
experiencing that "magick works" on a daily/practical and unglamourous basis.
Q: What filmmakers and videographers have influenced you
most? What visual artists?
Mikael: Mostly there are specific films/promos/details that
capture my interest-but hereīs sort of a "rundown": Psychic TV-yeah, well
right-cred-of course- U2-"Zooropa" wannabee-saints. Had more cash to do it big
time
donīt count - sorry guys - copy cats - go and sue EMERGENCY BROADCAST NETWORK
( EBN ) or shake hands with Castro
hypocrites. William S. Burroughs-always Kenneth
Anger-a true thelemite and magician-especially: "Invocation of my demon
brother"and "inauguration of the pleasure dome" Derek Jarman-too soon
gone/underestimated alchemical image-whiz kid- especially: "The Angelic
Conversation", "In The Shadow Of The Sun", "The Garden",
"The Tempest", "Blue" and his music videos Andreij
Tarkovskij-"Stalker", "The Mirror" Peter Greenaway- especially:
"Prosperoīs Books", "The Pillow Book", "A TV-Dante" Lars
von Trier-no, I donīt like "Breaking the Waves"-"The Element Of
Crime", "Epidemic" and "Europa"-are the real thing Shinya
Tsakamoto-"Tetsuo" Rainer Werner Fassbinder: "Querelle", "a year
with 13 moons" Nigel Grierson/E23 for 4AD-Records ( Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance,
David Sylvian covers ) Jan Svankmeyer-tchek animation-artist Japanese Animé/manga:
"Urotskidoji", "Akira", "Ghost In the shell" etc. Liliana
Cavani: "The Nighporter" Tinto Brass: "Caligula", "Salon
Kitty" Fellini: "Satyricon", "Roma" Pier Paolo Passolini:
"Salō" David Cronenberg: "Crimes of the Future",
"Videodrome"- "Naked Lunch"?-give us a break! canīt someone else do
this book some justice? Ken Russel: "Altered States" and "The Devils"
George Lucas: "THX 1138"
nothing else Stanley Kubrick: 20001, A Clockwork
Orange, The Shining, Nicholas Roeg: "The Man Who fell to Earth",
"Performance" David Lynch: "Eraserhead", "Twin Peaks",
"The Elephant Man", "On the air" Jeunet& Caro ( Of
"Delicatesen", "Alien resurrection"- fame ): "Le Bunker de la
derniere Rafale", their french government-financed condom-usage
"cyber-flick" and other promos Alex Proyas: "The Crow" and "Dark
City" Tom Of Finland Trevor Brown-graphic artist:covers for amongst others Whitehouse
Coop- graphic artist-covers for amongst others Lords Of Acid Richard Kern-the earlier
stuff new american comix from Vertigo, etc. Alexander Jodorowsky-no, not "Santa
Sangre"-but rather "El Topo","Holy Mountain"and his "Heavy
Metal"-comix Dave McKean: Covers for "Sandman", CD-covers for amongst
others Front Line Assembly-incredible "touch" Peter Saville-Joy Division-covers
Neville Brody: Cabaret Voltaire, Clock DVA-covers etc. Tomato-Underworldīs design bureau
Future Sound Of London-videos Kelly something-the guy that did the intro-graphics to:
"Seven", "The Island Of Dr.Moreau" (if the film would be nearly as
good as the intro
) ,"Spawn"- he has really put intro-graphics on the map
Chris Cunningham: Björk, Aphex Twin, Stanley Kubrickīs "A.I."-Chris-put it out
NOW Werner Herzog: "Aguirre"," Heart Of Glass","Nosferatu"
Early Ingmar Bergman-films-now heīs dead-boring.
Q: How did you come to make the videos for Death In June?
Mikael: At the moment there exists only (from me)
"Leopard Flowers"- but Douglas P. and I have discussed further videos.
Concerning "Leopard Flowers"- I had an idea centering on aspects/connotions of
"camouflage/fur/patterns, male sexuality, rituals of domination and submission,
beauty and history" and got in contact with Douglas upon that.
Q: How long did that take?
Mikael: I planned for some months and did it in a couple of
weeks.
Q: Any plans to release them?
Mikael: It depends on Douglas - we have discussed several
videos - in time.
Q: How are plans going for the CMI video?
Mikael: Have started working on it- gathering stock
footage, working out details-plans are for a compilation-video in connection with CMI
release #1000.
Q: Any future video projects?
Mikael: Well, I wish I had less but, yes: american comix
shop-window video-installation, NON, Ordo Rosarius Equilibrio-compilation, Death In June,
Der Blutharsch, Avatar ( experimental ambient ), Dive ( pop-ambient ) and furthermore I
would very much like to do videos with bands from the American "Projekt"-label:
Lycia, Love Spiral Downwards, Soul Whirling Somewhere-nothing set there though. I donīt
want to get pinpointed down to doing just "industrial" or whatever videos-Fetish
23 is about "multitude/ambiguity and diversity" in form and message. Iīd love
to do a fucking Garth Brooks or Britney Spears video just for the hell of it
I get
immensely bored with "one-track minds" and cozy "adherent groups"
Q: Any chance you'll be doing works with Boyd Rice?
Mikael: As a matter of fact, Iīm doing a video to
"Total War" right now
very "apocalyptic."

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